tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post144092247384804582..comments2024-03-26T06:17:49.527-07:00Comments on Had Enough Therapy?: What Is Toastmasters?Stuart Schneidermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-5572186425475755562013-12-27T07:42:15.234-08:002013-12-27T07:42:15.234-08:00Thank you, richard. I was trying to point out that...Thank you, richard. I was trying to point out that people today are less likely to try to solve their problems, as in, problems with public speaking, by repairing to a therapist or a psychoanalyst's office and more likely to go to meetings of Toastmasters. Neither I nor the times suggested that it had been invented yesterday. I thought it interesting that the Times had published an article about how well it had worked for one of their reporters... which tells me that, for some, having recourse to Toastmasters has something to do with the waning influence of therapy.Stuart Schneidermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-71749512049006699292013-12-27T07:07:03.932-08:002013-12-27T07:07:03.932-08:00Stuart:
When were the old days for you? Next year...Stuart:<br /><br />When were the old days for you? Next year Toastmasters International will be 90 years old. The New York Times thinkst enough of it to sponsor their own corporate club, Times Toastmasters. <br /><br />Public speaking is the most common social fear for U.S. adults. It affects about one in five of us. About one in ten has a phobia. See:<br />http://joyfulpublicspeaking.blogspot.com/2013/11/how-scary-is-public-speaking-or.html<br /><br />I suspect that Toastmasters might not be enough to help those with a phobia. But, it’s worth a try. Anyone considering it should visit several clubs before picking one with a good fit.<br /><br />Richard<br />Richard I. Garberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04032747070969465341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-51152438191097835492013-12-26T17:04:58.489-08:002013-12-26T17:04:58.489-08:00Thank you for the information on Toastmasters! I h...Thank you for the information on Toastmasters! I have been a guest twice with friends who are members, and am considering joining after finishing class.<br /><br />As for public speaking and rhetoric, I was disappointed when my high school dropped Speech from their graduation requirements. A most-hated class, it was also one of the most useful. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-28732606136652663422013-12-26T14:29:25.787-08:002013-12-26T14:29:25.787-08:00Former Toastmasters member here... a few points fo...Former Toastmasters member here... a few points for anyone considering joining:<br /><br />- for nervous folk, one of the best features is that you're speaking to fellow members who want to help you succeed. They're on your side!<br /><br />- you're free to experiment. Ferinstance, what's it like to abandon the lectern, and try to communicate and connect with the audience while you walk around in the open? Was it effective, or distracting?<br /><br />- it takes effort to prepare a talk. Join only if you're prepared to do some work. (That's an important realization for speaking in other contexts - good presentations in the workplace, or giving a talk to your bible study group.)<br /><br />- there's a social side to Toastmasters meetings. The group can be a lot of fun!<br /><br />- after a bit, you'll be able to critique your own talks. Video yourself, and you'll be able to see if you're moving too much or too little, if your gestures are appropriate, if your use of notes was intrusive, and so on.<br /><br />- the group can give feedback you'll never be able to get in any other way. For instance, did you make the audience feel welcome and important? If so, they will love you for it. That's a broadly applicable skill.<br /><br />Toastmasters is a great experience, and I agree completely with David that public speaking ought to taught in school.<br />Lastangonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-18597166902793031042013-12-26T13:28:59.785-08:002013-12-26T13:28:59.785-08:00Thanks so much, AO. I am happy to read the testimo...Thanks so much, AO. I am happy to read the testimony of someone who was part of Toastmasters. It adds greatly to the conversation.Stuart Schneidermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-84537582786581509022013-12-26T13:15:07.817-08:002013-12-26T13:15:07.817-08:00I was a member for about 9 years total and learned...I was a member for about 9 years total and learned all about how it works, and recommend it greatly. I first joined after college, and also joined a ballroom dance club as well, which put this introvert into multiple social dimensional frying pans.<br /><br />Toastmaster has two different skills taught - public speaking (and listening/evaluating) first, and leadership second for people who become club (or higher level area, district, region) officers, which keeps everything running while learning organizational skills and leading meetings with Roberts rules of order to run meetings well.<br /><br />When I first joined I most hated "Table topics", where you are given a question and have to speak for 30-90 seconds on that topic. My best failure was an area contest tables topic question which had a double-negative in the wording which totally confused me, but sometimes just surviving and not running away is where the real lessons are learned.<br /><br />Speech evaluations are also a tricky domain. I remember when I first joined, I didn't want any evaluation at all, and talked to the officers, and they convinced me I wanted to hear feedback. I learned everyone ends up with different ways they hear and give feedback, so some of the best feedback came when we did group evaluation, although usually the evaluation itself is also a speech, centered around an evaluation form for specific feedback on each focus.<br /><br />Being a club officer was also enlightening, and I got to see there's two components - basically being organized first, and then social skills - like welcoming guests. I don't know if an introvert can ever master it, but for me I could fake it by preparation, but really what leadership felts like is "worrying about everything". And I see sometimes you have to let things go badly, let disorganization show through, because adaptive recovery is another side of leadership, to have confidence you can pull order back out of the chaos.<br /><br />We also had some good debates, both serious and for fun, with international members, politics is wider than just American concerns, like after 9/11. <br /><br />As an officer, I also had fun organizing group meetings with other clubs, and got a few local politicians to come in and practice their speeches just to get feedback. So even if you're good at public speaking, TM will help you, and good clubs love to bring in guest speakers.<br /><br />A weird idea was also taught - that a speaker should never say thank you after a speech, since it was the audience who is supposed to be thankful, but its impossible not to feel grateful when people listen to your thoughts, and so many of us simply disobeyed that directive.<br /><br />Anyway, I recommend toastmasters as perhaps a nearly perfect place for structured and creative learning of how to express yourself, how to listen, and how to lead others.<br /><br />http://www.toastmasters.org/<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-38193549105113845332013-12-26T10:44:54.524-08:002013-12-26T10:44:54.524-08:00Thanks all for the comments... I do want to second...Thanks all for the comments... I do want to second David's remark-- colleges should definitely be teaching rhetoric... which is not just about public speaking but about persuading others.Stuart Schneidermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-11303773618441243722013-12-26T10:38:54.944-08:002013-12-26T10:38:54.944-08:00"Alford explains correctly that no one can ov..."Alford explains correctly that no one can overcome a fear of public speaking without doing a great deal of public speaking."<br /><br />Absolutely. I overcame my fear of public speaking by becoming a lector at my church. On my first attempt, I was shaking so scared that almost no one could understand what I was saying. Several years later, I was getting praises for my public speaking from actors and politicians who frequent my church. <br /><br />Practice, practice and more practice is all it takes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01990269310381826048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-15346194866716265972013-12-26T10:16:27.307-08:002013-12-26T10:16:27.307-08:00Dale Carnegie courses would work, too.Dale Carnegie courses would work, too.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-16149748091502386402013-12-26T09:45:13.151-08:002013-12-26T09:45:13.151-08:00Colleges should be teaching Rhetoric, which was on...Colleges should be teaching Rhetoric, which was once considered as one of the fundamental Liberal Arts. Anyone who gets a college degree should have some experience in developing effective talks/presentations, giving them to groups, and defending his ideas in debate.<br /><br />Most professions, especially those that require college degrees, involve this skill set...and too many people fail at it pretty badly. There are many academics who can't speak to their classes coherently, but the problem isn't limited to academia...there are plenty of people in business, even in the sales and marketing arena, who are badly in need of improvement in their Rhetorical skills.David Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15464681514800720063noreply@blogger.com