tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post3009234398750706457..comments2024-03-29T04:06:37.402-07:00Comments on Had Enough Therapy?: Martha Nussbaum's Non-AngerStuart Schneidermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-41841166846398133272016-05-17T07:14:26.749-07:002016-05-17T07:14:26.749-07:00Nussbaum is not only a tenured leftist, first and ...Nussbaum is not only a tenured leftist, first and foremost she is a woman. It is a toxic combination: Female narcissism empowered, freed from the healthy constraints of a normal woman's life. <br /><br />To people of her mindset righteous anger, a quintessential character feature of an honorable male, just does not compute. From being a complex and virtuous phenomenon it is reduced to being something simplistic and The Problem. <br /><br />Zarathustranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-66015828930765348372016-05-16T06:50:09.274-07:002016-05-16T06:50:09.274-07:00I posted some thoughts on anger--its uses and misu...I posted some thoughts on anger--its uses and misuses--here:<br /><br />http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/49277.htmlDavid Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15464681514800720063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-8608134596954741942016-05-15T23:05:36.340-07:002016-05-15T23:05:36.340-07:00p.s. Here's a video from maybe 2011 talking ab...p.s. Here's a video from maybe 2011 talking about the failure of the American Dream, narrated from a sort of "back to the future" perspective, worth a look. Its closer to the housing bubble of 2008 than 2016, but the bubble is not over.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM The Collapse of The American Dream Explained in Animation <br /><br />I wonder what's the proper expression of anger when you sign a deal with the devil?<br /><br />Do we scapegoat the bankers for giving us "free money", or ourselves for believing their feel-good lies?<br /><br />In that regard, trusting Trump to "Make America Great Again" is a suspect solution to our anger.<br /><br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-85590605206593161442016-05-15T21:27:34.870-07:002016-05-15T21:27:34.870-07:00Stuart: America under Barack Obama has lost status...Stuart: America under Barack Obama has lost status; it has lost prestige; it has allowed itself to be humiliated by the tinhorn mullahs of Iran… among others. So, people are angry. And they are right to be anger. They do not seem to know how to set things right, but at least they have the right emotion. <br /><br />I'm quite sure this is nonsense, and still thinking the problem is over the nature of status. Is status derived from the ethical issues of self-righteousness, or is it derived from the lies of self-pity?<br /><br />And I'm quite confident that 99% of Americans are not thinking about Iran at all, and if America has failed us, it's because of economic issues, or failed expectations about the future. We can try to blame Obama, but surely this problem preceeds his presidency.<br /><br />Also on a proper use of anger, I recall the story of the samurai:<br />http://unknowingmind.blogspot.com/2006/07/story-of-wise-samurai.html<br />-------<br />A samurai warrior once was charged with avenging a noble's death at the hands of a rival warlord. He trained for four years, studied the warlord's habits, and planned his attack. When the day came, he stealthily approached the warlord when he was alone, and cornered him. The samurai held his katana aloft, poised to strike the final blow, when the warlord, utterly defeated, spit in the face of the samurai. The samurai sheathed his sword and walked away, rather than kill the warlord out of anger.<br />-------<br /><br />So the lesson is that personal anger is not sufficient for justice. And actually personal anger is the antithesis of justice, corrupting the execution of justice. The story is outrageous since you're 100% sure assassin is guilty, in a similar way that the justice system can throw out illegally obtained evidence and let a guilty person walk away.<br /><br />I also recalled Kiplings poem to his son called If:<br />http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/46473<br /><br />When you read the poem you can be confident that Kipling is talking about "Anger management". And it is about ethics. It's about recognizing an autonomous center inside us who that is not dependent upon the good will or good sense of others. It is a dangerous center, since it can be based on lies as well, but it is a counterweight against external corruption.<br /><br />Stuart: Anger might seem to be something like a desire, but it represents a duty to reassert your standing and status, thus, to save face. <br /><br />I can mostly agree with this assertion. My difference is that I think anger shouldn't be directed towards your need for status, but the needs of the person who is acting out. That is, we have to hope they have a conscience, and our goal ought to be to help THEM save face. It's obvious to me that a person who acts badly is the one who has status problems and making people angry might RAISE their sense of personal status.<br /><br />And I've seen perhaps 80% of anger is based on misunderstandings, and inaccurate projection of motives of another. So if you always react immediately and identically in all cases of your own anger, then you're possibly going to give a WRONG respond 80% of the time, and possibly escalate a conflict in ways that are not necessary.<br /><br />So once physical safety is established, the most important thing is to slow down reactionary anger. Like the idea of the Awareness cycle separating: observations, assumptions, and feelings. If you can separate these, you can challenge your assumptions, and change your feelings, and what's left, observations, can be more neutrally reflected back to another person for them to evaluate how they look from the outside and evaluate that in their own conscience.<br /><br />Or as parents say to children who are angry "Use your words."Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-16138569908817792562016-05-15T19:52:57.521-07:002016-05-15T19:52:57.521-07:00This looks clear enough, except for the predicamen...This looks clear enough, except for the predicaments of at who, where, how and when.<br />Stuart: Aristotle saw the expression of anger as an ethical issue: you should express your anger to the right person at the right time in the right place in the right way under the right circumstances.<br /><br />This is less convincing:<br />Stuart: If you fail to be angry when you ought to be angry you will be supinely accepting a diminished status. <br /><br />Or at least we can first ask where status is derived, and I think if status is ONLY derived by your ability to put others of lower status in a hierarchy in their place, then your status is based on invoking fear, and is teaching others to derive their status by invoking fear.<br /><br />I suppose the answer is there are different sorts of status.<br /><br />The author Starhawk wrote about types of power. Power as fecundity or "flourishing" is perhaps just for women and plants. That's a 5-minute job for men, and then they're bored I guess.<br />------<br />What we need to be doing is not just changing who holds power, but changing the way we conceive of power. There is the power we're all familiar with — power over. But there is another kind of power — power from within. For a woman, it is the power to be fertile either in terms of having babies or writing books or dancing or baking bread or being a great organizer. It is the kind of power that doesn't depend on depriving someone else. <br />-------Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-44271346568013942472016-05-15T17:24:44.262-07:002016-05-15T17:24:44.262-07:00The hallmark of all Leftist thought is the ready o...The hallmark of all Leftist thought is the ready one-size-fits-all answer to every imaginable problem, while simultaneously prattling on about championing and celebrating "diversity." We see this in everything: science, social studies, bureaucracy, technology. It's a lie. They have no stomach for the sausage-making of diverse approaches, which is why the distrust states and worship the federal (and soon global) government. There is no diversity in central planning... that's the idea (as well as the supposed solution and benefit). Progress!Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-35591019211678645642016-05-15T16:08:55.951-07:002016-05-15T16:08:55.951-07:00Aristotle said courage is the most important of th...Aristotle said courage is the most important of the virtues, because it makes the others possible. Obama reserves what little courage he has for the domestic opposition, and embraces our nation's enemies. That doesn't seem courageous, it seems stupid. To be the land of the free, we have to be the home of the brave. Obama is not brave, he's brazen. And his bearing is not American. <br /><br />One of Nussbaum's significant works was to introduce the "politics of disgust" to fight for homosexual "marriage." Ostensibly because no one ought become disgusted by love between two consenting adults, under any condition. And certainly we ought not bring the force of law into it, or that's the tyranny of the majority. My goodness, how many laws and regulations came into being last year? Her simplicity and naïveté are astounding. <br /><br />Anger is bad? Anger is an emotion. I thought there were no bad emotions. I thought we were supposed to have empathy for all. <br /><br />And now we come full circle, because "the audacity of hope" was a phrase Mr. Obama took from his mentor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. And he's not angry, is he? Naw, no rage there!<br /><br />And who is the "all" we should comfort, console and empathize with? The world of the political/media/academic Left is so insular today. They preach tolerance but are anything but. Just don't get angry about it. No time for questions, there's always a crisis at hand, and we have to move "forward." That's Progress!Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-52314007763917976552016-05-15T13:01:56.539-07:002016-05-15T13:01:56.539-07:00It is always amazing, but not surprising, to see t...It is always amazing, but not surprising, to see the obtuseness of the well-educated.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-50692047378456968102016-05-15T10:39:16.580-07:002016-05-15T10:39:16.580-07:00No matter who wins, the deep-state collusion betwe...No matter who wins, the deep-state collusion between state and media will continue to undermine truth and democracy.priss rulesnoreply@blogger.com