tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post5933802422096673617..comments2024-03-26T06:17:49.527-07:00Comments on Had Enough Therapy?: Hillary Tells Us What HappenedStuart Schneidermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-64547735209979369362017-09-13T11:35:22.806-07:002017-09-13T11:35:22.806-07:00Thanks, guys.
Bent is an interesting guy, like Mi...Thanks, guys.<br /><br />Bent is an interesting guy, like Mitch Bouyer (Dr. Gray's, <i>Custer's Last Campaign</i>) is one of those men who seems to have been able to move back and forth from Indian to American culture.<br /><br />@Uncle Max. I haven't read Philbrook but from the Amazon reviews he seems to think that Custer delayed his attack until he could see Reno's situation. This doesn't make a lot of sense as Indian fighting was best served by multiple attacks from different directions, and here specifically, after Custer and Reno part, Reno's job was to cross the river and charge while Custer stayed in the heights and moved down stream to find way to launch the second attack. Custer's view of events in the valley was only intermittent, with the last sighting of Reno being that the troops had halted the charge and were in trouble, and Custer had got to get his men into action ASAP, which he did at the first opportunity.<br /><br />I don't think the full scope of the danger was known until Custer was at the head of Medicine Tail Coulee, and saw the size of the village. That's why the attack at the the river was a feint, made by two or three of the five companies directly controlled by Custer. Draw off Indians from Reno. The other troops were held back to give covering fire to the attackers and stabilize the situation until Benteen arrived. At that point, the options were attack will all eight companies or organize a retreat and help Reno.<br /><br />About Reno. His conduct was execrable during the panic-driven retreat out of the woods, but remember, his charge went in with about 130 men, when opposition developed in front of he, he dismounted into a skirmish line of about 95-100, because one in four soldiers was holding four horses behind the line. When he abandoned the skirmish line, he was facing odds of 2 or 3-1 and had been flanked.<br /><br />Custer's alleged disobedience. Terry's orders exist and they are entirely discretionary. The location of the villages wasn't known, and scouting parties had explored all of the tributaries of the Yellowstone. When Custer departed Terry, the attack plan was governed by the need not to let the Indians scatter, Terry was to form a blocking force at the Big Horn, and the Indians were believed to be somewhere on the upper reaches of the BH and its tributaries. They weren't. While scouting the Rosebud, Custer found a hot Indian trail that led to the lower part of the BH valley, followed it on a forced overnight march. Indian scouts found the village in the predawn hours with no realistic opportunity to conceal the regiment and wait for Terry.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-76545337704244548692017-09-13T09:06:06.172-07:002017-09-13T09:06:06.172-07:00Thanks for the write up Jack ( and James ). Jack,...Thanks for the write up Jack ( and James ). Jack, your explanation of the day was what I was thinking, reading you two mentioning LBH / Custer. I read " The Last Stand" a few years back and liked it. Seemed like a lot of poor decisions were made before Custer ever got into the thick of it. And Benteen, was indeed a scurrilous dog. Uncle Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09201160092477098369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-71822436250999635912017-09-12T20:08:55.290-07:002017-09-12T20:08:55.290-07:00Jack,
You've got a pretty good summary of the ...Jack,<br />You've got a pretty good summary of the situation. If you haven't read it, you might like the the book "Life of George Bent", Oklahoma press if I remember right. It's been a long time since I've read it.<br />Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13642228725661059539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-28218503382650070632017-09-12T19:42:48.375-07:002017-09-12T19:42:48.375-07:00My take is that he runs into bad luck and that cas...My take is that he runs into bad luck and that cascades. The Summer of 1876 found far more Indians off the reservation (the "Summer roamers") who added to the number on Indians not on the reservation (the "Winter roamers"), in numbers the War Dept. were unaware of, and by the time reliable estimates were available it was too late to be usable information.<br /><br />And then the bad luck starts. Until the predawn hours of the first day of battle, the location of the main Indian village isn't known, except likely somewhere on the upper Big Horn valley. Crow scouts fix the location on the Little Big Horn, but right about dawn Custer believes incorrectly that the regiment has been discovered by a forging party, but the party was leaving the main encampment, not going to it. <br /><br />At this point his main concern is getting the regiment into action as fast as possible, because experience taught that villages would scatter if attacked. The problems here were (1) this village wouldn't scatter, there were enough warriors to fight it out, (2) there might be villages on the upper reaches of the LBH valley, which would escape if not driven downstream.<br /><br />So this is a reconnaissance problem. Benteen is given an ad hoc battalion and sent on a recon. in force, to locate and drive northwards Indians discovered on the upper reaches of the LBH, while Custer moves against the main village. It's a very fluid situation. Later, as the situation clarifies, Benteen is recalled, Reno's battalion is split off, sent to cross the LBH and attack, while Custer moves along the heights above the river to attack from a second direction.<br /><br />Custer can see Reno's attack stall and the troops form a picket line, but Custer can't help because he's too far for direct support so he's got to get down into the valley and attack, which he does at a point about the middle of the village, miles away from Reno. This attack, probably a feint with half the remaining troops down a dry coulee (in the shape of a V with the apex at the river), is intended to relieve pressure on Reno and hold a threatening position until Benteen arrived. <br /><br />But Benteen never arrives, and the feint at the middle of the village attracts Indians like a magnet, Reno is able to break off the fighting (he'd been forced into a defensive stand in timber along the river). The troops conducting the feint are forced back into the heights along the other leg of the V, joined by the troops who had ridden along the ridge line. The reunited battalion begins a mostly disorganized fighting retreat that lasts maybe 20 minutes until all are killed.<br /><br />The problem was Benteen, who responded to the recall messages by walking, rather than trotting, then delaying to assist the pack-train. He'd spend the rest of his life exaggerating the distance of his scout, but time-distance trials in the 1990s suggested that if he'd taken the trot immediately upon receiving the first of the recall messages, he'd have reached the coulee while the fighting was developing at the river's edge. Custer could have extricated the troops making the feint and withdrawn along his own back trail to reinforce and save Reno, who had recrossed the river in a panic.<br /><br />So that's it in a nutshell.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-20348335881047881952017-09-12T15:40:05.690-07:002017-09-12T15:40:05.690-07:00Jack,
That battle has been kicked around probably ...Jack,<br />That battle has been kicked around probably since it happened. When I was younger I was more ardent about this or that explanation, but I realize now that I was not there. I have walked that place and the only thing I would say from experience that Custer seems to not have made an effective recon and he and his men paid for it. As was the practice in those days and the command structure they operated under would have placed the onus on him for that failure. But that is just an opinion.<br />From what I saw of the terrain and what I know of forces involved it must have happened very quickly and was something of a big surprise to Custer and his group.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13642228725661059539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-60776506112605357202017-09-12T15:31:28.857-07:002017-09-12T15:31:28.857-07:00Stuart: If Hillary had any sense of decency at all...Stuart: If Hillary had any sense of decency at all, she would take a walk in the woods and shut the fuck up.<br /><br />With advice like that, surely she shouldn't take it. OTOH, clearly the only respite a losing candidate can get is the satisfaction to see the alternative candidate who won actually fuck everything up day after day after day. Of course how many times can she say "I told you so" without being hated even more than Trump for losing to him? Really there's no status to be gained there.<br /><br />We know why the Left wants her to go away, but I just don't think the Right really wants this. Maybe they say that because they know she won't, and they need her to hate, to avoid thinking about what they've done to America with their unbridled animosity against any higher reason than "I want" and "They're bad".<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-84130778055723834722017-09-12T15:09:58.025-07:002017-09-12T15:09:58.025-07:00I'm one of the few who partially absolves Cust...I'm one of the few who partially absolves Custer from blame for the Little Big Horn defeat.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-5917476015922934522017-09-12T14:27:19.936-07:002017-09-12T14:27:19.936-07:00Jack,
"@James ... looking forward to the futu...Jack,<br />"@James ... looking forward to the future history, On The Warpath With Lieawatha Warren"<br />There's war drums in those hills! Wait that's your bailiwick!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13642228725661059539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-82747571072902763402017-09-12T11:53:29.778-07:002017-09-12T11:53:29.778-07:00@whitney ... The complilations of crying hildabees...@whitney ... The complilations of crying hildabeest supporters are epic.<br /><br />@James ... looking forward to the future history, <i>On The Warpath With Lieawatha Warren</i>Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-35344637655958180352017-09-12T11:42:21.768-07:002017-09-12T11:42:21.768-07:00Periodically, I go back and look at videos of the ...Periodically, I go back and look at videos of the news during election night. It makes me so happy. It was just so unexpected. I think I will be a very old woman and still those videos will make me happy. whitneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01339343160301118530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-86593355640514813042017-09-12T11:29:22.857-07:002017-09-12T11:29:22.857-07:00"If Hillary had any sense of decency at all, ...<br /><br /><br />"If Hillary had any sense of decency at all, she would take a walk in the woods and shut the fuck up."<br />No, no ,no. I don't want her to ever stop talking or at least for the next 4 years. And to dream of a 2020 campaign of "Beachhouse Bernie vs. Liz "My Christian Faith is deep and Authentic" Warren vs Hillary "Why am I not leading by 50pts" Clinton. That would make my sad little existence so fulfilling.<br />Max: " Too many masks have dropped.... too many let it all hang out to get their way... too many have been red-pilled. There will be no returning to pre-Trump politics. It's only just begun.." Exactly. They really thought that Obama was their Caesar who had taken them across the Rubicon with Hillary to be the Augustus to seal the deal for the foreseeable future. It didn't happen and now they're in the open and going for all the marbles and losing.<br /><br /><br /><br />Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13642228725661059539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-51334294549184039952017-09-12T09:30:14.492-07:002017-09-12T09:30:14.492-07:00Hillary should do a Garbo, and go off to be alone....Hillary should do a Garbo, and go off to be alone.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-62869073740349372862017-09-12T09:14:38.996-07:002017-09-12T09:14:38.996-07:00WHAT TF HAPPENED?
My Lie In Politics
by The Hildab...WHAT TF HAPPENED?<br />My Lie In Politics<br />by The Hildabeest<br /><br /><br />NYT Beestseller List to dollar bin in a month.<br /><br /><br />remember to visit Amazon and give it one star.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-35917564426600593162017-09-12T08:47:38.194-07:002017-09-12T08:47:38.194-07:00I think you're right about Waco. Good column....I think you're right about Waco. Good column. The United States took a pivot in 2016, and there is no way back. A path unforeseen prior to June 2015. Too many masks have dropped.... too many let it all hang out to get their way... too many have been red-pilled. There will be no returning to pre-Trump politics. It's only just begun.. Uncle Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09201160092477098369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-19778369400333132762017-09-12T08:24:17.984-07:002017-09-12T08:24:17.984-07:00Let's not forget the neurological problems tha...Let's not forget the neurological problems that kept cropping up, which hindered her ability to campaign. This didn't escape the notice of some astute bloggers. Back in October of last year, Thomas Lifson noted that Hillary was doing very few public appearances, which was a thing unprecedented in American political history. Apparently, back in 1944, even that paragon of physical vigor, FDR was making numerous public appearances.<br /><br />People wonder how Hillary could be so foolhardy as to fail to campaign in Wisconsin. Maybe she was physically unable -- or she was unable to appear in public without giving away the gameAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-72991121820068784812017-09-12T08:19:46.692-07:002017-09-12T08:19:46.692-07:00The last line was the best. The last line was the best. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-13086704648009932422017-09-12T08:05:24.949-07:002017-09-12T08:05:24.949-07:00I smoke the wrong kind of cigarettes and I still d...I smoke the wrong kind of cigarettes and I still don't believe the marriage was real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com