tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post6016816068659027009..comments2024-03-26T06:17:49.527-07:00Comments on Had Enough Therapy?: Mental Illness and Mass ShootingsStuart Schneidermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-36718160182628573382018-02-28T03:19:04.401-08:002018-02-28T03:19:04.401-08:00IAC, thank you for your opinion. I'm sorry I c...IAC, thank you for your opinion. I'm sorry I can't oblige. I've have to stay at least long enough to figure out if I'm the only blamer here.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-68208418630525992972018-02-27T20:28:13.677-08:002018-02-27T20:28:13.677-08:00Ares Olympus @9:02:
Ares, what the #%@& did y...Ares Olympus @9:02:<br /><br />Ares, what the #%@& did you just say?<br /><br />I’ll focus Anon’s criticism: Stop writing here. No one cares.<br /><br />Specific enough? Take a hint.Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-65502203101358290892018-02-27T13:50:47.491-08:002018-02-27T13:50:47.491-08:00I can't tell if Anon6:22pm and Anon9:27am are ...I can't tell if Anon6:22pm and Anon9:27am are the same person, but somewhere I learned that constructive criticism should be specific so I requested that. Like this, while I'm sure I fail these standard often enough myself. Of course no one has to be wrong if its just about divergent opinions.<br />https://lumen.instructure.com/courses/218897/pages/linkedtext54171<br />The most basic "rule-of-thumb" of effective criticism is: "Respect the individual, focus the criticism on the behavior that needs changing - on what people actually do or actually say." Ideally, effective criticism should be: positively intended, specific, objective, and constructive.<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-54358942947251585292018-02-27T09:27:03.195-08:002018-02-27T09:27:03.195-08:00AO is back to his old habits of trying to take ove...AO is back to his old habits of trying to take over someone else's blog. Most of us have the decency to make our point and not make it about us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-83612976196837834562018-02-27T09:02:27.796-08:002018-02-27T09:02:27.796-08:00Anonymous said.. That’s B.S. You blame others endl...Anonymous said.. That’s B.S. You blame others endlessly.<br /><br />Feel free to call me out sometime and we can discuss specifics and see what we really know.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-88328722486141614322018-02-26T18:22:07.056-08:002018-02-26T18:22:07.056-08:00AO: “I won't heap more blame on someone who ex...AO: “I won't heap more blame on someone who experienced something I've not experienced.“<br /><br />That’s B.S. You blame others endlessly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-49936675615202158332018-02-26T18:18:16.016-08:002018-02-26T18:18:16.016-08:00AO, your credibility on this blog vanished a long ...AO, your credibility on this blog vanished a long time ago. I no longer believe anything you write here, including personal stuff about your family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-70082096192472175002018-02-26T10:40:59.395-08:002018-02-26T10:40:59.395-08:00AO, evasions noted.
There are veterans here who a...AO, evasions noted.<br /><br />There are veterans here who are disgusted at your defense of cowardice.<br /><br />And no reader gives a rat's ass about what you did or did not experience because that has nothing to do with that craven officer.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-25967739139774829022018-02-26T10:33:16.348-08:002018-02-26T10:33:16.348-08:00Jack Fisher said... AO if you find it acceptable t...Jack Fisher said... AO if you find it acceptable that an armed peace officer decided not to actively intervene at the risk of his life where children are being murdered, that speaks volumes for your character, or, rather lack of.<br /><br />Nothing here is acceptable, but I won't heap more blame on someone who experienced something I've not experienced. How many soldiers in a battle retreated when they were needed, or purposely aimed badly because they didn't want to accidentally hit civilians who were too close.<br /><br />I don't see shaming cowardly actions reducing cowardly actions. The best we can do is see why their training was insufficient to face the situation, and improve future training.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-3785440994816227262018-02-26T10:22:14.009-08:002018-02-26T10:22:14.009-08:00Redacted, I see that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wik...Redacted, I see that:<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatric_genetics#Heritability_and_genetics<br /><br />I'll certainly agree once a family has a single person with diagnosed mental illness, that other member could also be evaluated. <br /><br />Interestingly the biggest thing I learned from going to a family member support group is that learned helplessness is a huge danger, and patients who recover are the ones who take charge of their own diagnosis and treatment, especially things like feedback on how medications are affecting them. <br /><br />And a patient being able to trust external feedback from family members is also huge, and won't happen if annoyed family members just threaten to call 911 whether a patient is not compliant enough at home. I never did that to my sister, but her husband and my brother both used this power over her frequently.<br /><br />Not everything a person does is because they are mentally ill, but its easy to imagine that when you don't want to look in the mirror at your own bad moods.<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-12974801922800536942018-02-26T10:17:56.322-08:002018-02-26T10:17:56.322-08:00AO if you find it acceptable that an armed peace o...AO if you find it acceptable that an armed peace officer decided not to actively intervene at the risk of his life where children are being murdered, that speaks volumes for your character, or, rather lack of. It's too dangerous? That's the point. The kids being murdered are in more danger than the armed coward hiding outside.<br /><br />We know that the officer was a coward. What are you?<br /><br />re your sister. always a bad idea to drag family into a public debate, since it declares open season. if your sister was hospitalized 26 times by the courts, its because she was off her meds, meaning, while she a minor under the care of family, it was the family who failed her. family = you. as an adult, as anyone remotely familiar with mental health issues among adults, short of hospitalization, if a patient doesn't want to take meds, meds won't be taken.<br /><br />and if you claim to know all about mental health issues, why did you wrongly claim in the now-deleted poast that involuntary holds are grounded in violence?Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-24830877135201778512018-02-26T09:45:00.101-08:002018-02-26T09:45:00.101-08:00"Most psychiatric disorders are highly herita..."Most psychiatric disorders are highly heritable..."<br />--- wikipedia<br /><br />Runs in families. Just sayin'. K?<br />;-DRedactednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-27141685821866231022018-02-26T09:38:58.539-08:002018-02-26T09:38:58.539-08:00p.s. I see our delusional president feels confiden...p.s. I see our delusional president feels confident he'd run even unarmed into the school, unlike the cowardly deputy. But at least he's taking up the fight to ban bump stocks so the delusional kids had some affect on him, even if it had no part in this last shooting. And maybe there will be more money added for mental health, hopefully to help the afflicted rather than just to imagine it'll reduce future shooters.<br />http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-id-run-in-there-to-stop-school-shooting/article/2650037Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-49628042180487522822018-02-26T09:38:06.542-08:002018-02-26T09:38:06.542-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-8359769975614586082018-02-26T09:09:17.382-08:002018-02-26T09:09:17.382-08:00Jack, yes, I understand the issues very well. My s...Jack, yes, I understand the issues very well. My sister was diagnosed with mental illness when she was 16, and was hospitalized largely against her will 26 times (by her count), and so once you get into the system, your options become very limited.<br /><br />But the harder problem is the people who are not diagnosed yet, they're the ones who can get the guns, and act violently, and little things like online threats like "I'm going to become a school shooter" can talk their way out of it if they're smart, mental illness or not.<br /><br />Let's say there are currently 10 million adults out there who have undiagnosed mental illness of some sort, and most are they're managing their lives reasonably poorly, while some will let their resentment and self-pity play stories in their mind over months and years. And a only a small fraction will ever by diagnosed, and a very tiny fraction of those people will act out mass shootings in the next 10 years.<br /><br />If our goal is to keep a maximum availability of guns, then the safe bet is to round up everyone who fits a profile that looks dangerous. And if we're only doing this to avoid mass shootings, it looks like a highly costly exercise in futility - we'll most likely still miss most of them, whether because they're good liars or know how to keep their mouths shut. <br /><br />But if we're doing it for the well-being of the people, then we have to not treat them all like children who have to be controlled, but as people in psychological distress and unable to manage it, but can be helped.<br /><br />And given we live in a country where chronic healthcare costs can break any average family's income, and no one wants to pay for it, the best we can hope for these days in mental health is that drugs can do enough.<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-3366167848813537362018-02-26T07:58:08.623-08:002018-02-26T07:58:08.623-08:00AO, do you ever do any minimal research before poa...AO, do you ever do any minimal research before poasting? That's rhetorical, of course you don't. <br /><br />Mentally ill individuals can be held for treatment and observation against their will for periods of time up to 72 hours, to be reviewed by a court because of constitutional issues. <b>The grounds are not overt violence but an actual or potential danger to themselves or to others.</b> Mental health professionals have the obligation (in most states) to report credible threats of future violence to the police, as this is not protected by doctor-patient privilege.<br /><br />Your entire argument, even if it were coherent, which it isn't, is rubbish.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873320680596889057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-49402578264102692112018-02-26T07:42:10.765-08:002018-02-26T07:42:10.765-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.com