tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post7859523899552719761..comments2024-03-26T06:17:49.527-07:00Comments on Had Enough Therapy?: Who Has Been Reporting Fake News?Stuart Schneidermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-50170780461128532952016-11-24T05:20:09.744-08:002016-11-24T05:20:09.744-08:00Exuberantly, profusely, luxuriantly silly.Exuberantly, profusely, luxuriantly silly.Trigger Warningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-82653625573786541592016-11-24T02:28:59.343-08:002016-11-24T02:28:59.343-08:00AesopFan said... Poor choice of words, and I think... AesopFan said... Poor choice of words, and I think this latest election illustrates why. Republicans do not consider themselves inferior to Democrats; the idea of an "inferiority complex" is the drumbeat of the Dems -- the Right must be inferior because we beat them <br /><br />I've thought about why it seems the Right has an inferiority complex, and probably Trump represents it most soundly - anyone who has to insult others to gain status clearly has a problem inside, and is compensating for it. Trump may not "feel inferior", but his low class attacks and insults prove that something inferior exists inside of him.<br /><br />And questioning Obama's birth, while he had an American mother, so like Ted Cruz, even if he was born off American soil, Obama would still be an American.<br /><br />And questioning Obama's religion and claiming he was Muslim, while there is no evidence, and even worse even if he was Muslim, it should mean absolutely nothing in a land which has a freedom of religion. You can choose to not vote for a Muslim if you like, but it doesn't make him not your president if a majority people do vote for him. So that sort of fear also looks like inferiority to me.<br /><br />And the crazy insanity of the tragic Benghazi attack. Maybe the republican leadership themselves actually would be glad to have put the issues to rest after the initial reports were completed, but just harped on it over and over for political gain, because they had nothing else to talk about. But you have to think only inferior people act that way.<br /><br />I don't judge their sense of inferiority is about Democrats winning, but clearly that is a trigger for this sort of abusive behavior to become visible.<br /><br />Of course shameless Donald Trump was apparently the cure to this Republican inferiority. While the conservative standard bearers decried Trump's bullting and abusive language, the people who felt disrespected were enboldened, finally someone who can beat the Republican and Democratic "establishment" by force of their will.<br /><br />So now the Republicans have the whole chessboard, or nearly. Now they have to deliver. I'm very skeptical of their success, but at least we don't have to talk about transgender rights and global warming issues for a while, so I guess that's a bonus. Denying things we don't want to talk about will now be the American way, although I suppose its always been our way.<br /><br />I do think other country leaders are rightfully fearful of a bully like Trump, and that they should do everything they can to stand up to him, not bullying in return, but using every opportunity to repudiate his bad character, whatever the cost. He will become the President of the United States, not the world, and no one else must bow to him except Americans looking for special favors in his administration.<br /><br />We'll see. Overall I'll call his election a good thing, since 2020 scared me more, and the Left will stay more awake to abuses of power when a Republican is in power.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-8467655323304706982016-11-23T19:00:20.938-08:002016-11-23T19:00:20.938-08:00And now for something more amusing:
http://www.rec...And now for something more amusing:<br />http://www.recode.net/2016/11/20/13691162/snl-culture-bubble-san-francisco-new-york<br /><br />Well played, “Saturday Night Live.” Very. Well. Played.<br /><br />The cast of “SNL” produced a skit called “The Bubble” this weekend that spoofed the San Francisco and New York culture bubbles, which are very real. The skit depicts a city, literally covered in a bubble, for “like-minded free-thinkers” in disbelief over Donald Trump’s recent election victory.<br /><br />“If you’re an open-minded person, come here and close yourself in,” says “SNL’s” pitchman. “In here, it’s like the election never happened.”<br /><br />The Bubble comes equipped with hybrid cars, used book stores and multi-million dollar single-bedroom apartments. So you know the “SNL” writers did their research.<br /><br />“It’s their America now. We’ll be fine, right here in The Bubble.”<br /><br />Sounds like a great place to live!AesopFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-78609221895587715152016-11-23T18:59:27.213-08:002016-11-23T18:59:27.213-08:00(continued)
"And now with ideological purity ...(continued)<br />"And now with ideological purity solidified on both sides, there's no middle ground left, and because main stream media journals are largely personally liberals, they can't be trusted with the facts, so alternative media and right wing talk radio arose to try to balance things out."<br />I don't think any of this is disputable.<br /><br />"If there's any voice capable of finding an answer, I'd go for Jonathan Haidt, where he tried to point out Conservatives have a wider breadth of values, over the justice-obsessed left. So he actually supports conservative quotas to try to open the various echo chambers of each profession."<br />True; although I have some areas of disagreement with Haidt, at least he is trying to keep a dialogue open.<br /><br /><br />"Perhaps it takes the election of someone like Trump to open some of the windows to those echo chambers and see what has been neglected. It's a harsh way to get a point - to threaten the entire world, but here we are."<br />November 23, 2016 at 3:37 AM<br /><br />Opening up the echo chambers is putting it mildly, and there are multiple writers on the Right and the Left pointing out the seismic nature of the event.<br />However, claiming that Trump's election threatens the entire world is hyperbole and not self-evident; it's an opinion.<br />Like the feeling on the Right that Obama's election threatened the entire world -- except, it turns out, they were right.AesopFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-8348238885898259192016-11-23T18:58:59.193-08:002016-11-23T18:58:59.193-08:00I think some of you are overlooking the points of ...I think some of you are overlooking the points of agreement with Ares in a rush to mock the areas of difference. Some of this is good ground for debate, not dismissal. (Broken into two parts because of the 4096 character limit).<br /><br />Ares Olympus said...(in quotes)<br /><br />"I've wondered where the Republican party gained its inferiority complex, and perhaps it can be traced back to FDR, holding presidential power from 1932 to 1952, with landslide after landslide in the electoral college of nearly solid blue so 20 years of living underground clearly caused emotional distress."<br /><br />Poor choice of words, and I think this latest election illustrates why. Republicans do not consider themselves inferior to Democrats; the idea of an "inferiority complex" is the drumbeat of the Dems -- the Right must be inferior because we beat them (with the same kind of lies and media bias still in evidence, I suspect) -- which led to the landslide rebuke of the condescending elites that we saw this month. And, BTW, which side is more prone to acting out its emotional distress?<br /><br />"But the Democratic party lost in a republican landslide in 1952 where only the south held onto the south, and then 1964 landslide of Johnson over Goldwater completely reversed the map with only southern states going republican, all because of Johnson's support of Civil Rights."<br />The southern Dems at the time were the racists in reality that the present-day GOP is accused of being; the massive -- almost geological -- folding of the ideological strata in the two legacy parties is nearly impossible to unravel, and I would just as soon quit talking about them as if either one still represented its former ideals.<br />I'm still trying to work out how that maps with the foregoing answer, but there is a core of the original ideologies left in each party, just not the factors commonly cited in the heat of battle.<br /><br />"But in those golden days, political parties were not ideological[ly] pure, while slowly liberals were ousted from the republicans and became the party of conservatives only."<br /><br />This is true, if one substitutes "progressives" for the term "liberal" -- another example of ambiguity -- however, a more accurate characterization is that conservatives are only in the Republican party, not that Republicans are only conservatives. And it would be more correct to say that conservatives were booted out of the Democrat Party (see Reagan's famous "I didn't leave the Democrats; the Democrats left me.")<br />I have seen multiple studies on the development of this "chasm" over the years, indicating how it contributes to the partisan gridlock in Congress because there are no longer any Members whose ideology allows them to compromise in the center (which is why the Left circumvents legislation with administrative regulations).<br /><br />AesopFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-60477870285617938562016-11-23T11:33:54.393-08:002016-11-23T11:33:54.393-08:00By definition, there is no middle ground in a wide...By definition, there is no middle ground in a wide chasm. Brush up on the English.Trigger Warningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-70209707022867991932016-11-23T11:30:43.697-08:002016-11-23T11:30:43.697-08:00Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD said... Why so much ...Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD said... Why so much hate, Ares?<br /><br />Can you be more specific?<br /><br />I so often feel like I'm just looking for some middle ground across a very large chasm. Bridges are hard to come by these day, and burning them is so much fun for all sides.<br /><br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-8857658356657758122016-11-23T11:27:55.827-08:002016-11-23T11:27:55.827-08:00Why so much hate, Ares?Why so much hate, Ares?Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-7282855021728613172016-11-23T11:14:07.535-08:002016-11-23T11:14:07.535-08:00Good catch, OA. I find it amusing that a Democrat ...Good catch, OA. I find it amusing that a Democrat CEO gets fired for threatening to murder Trump, and a Democrat Politico editor resigns for threatening to beat Trump with a baseball bat, but Ares thinks it's <i>Republicans</i> who have an "inferiority complex". :-D<br /><br />By the way, Ares, junk Freudian diagnoses are just weak attempts by poorly educated leftists to kill a debate when they've run out of arguments. Trigger Warningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-14422800473536113732016-11-23T10:23:47.995-08:002016-11-23T10:23:47.995-08:00I am a deplorable. And proud. I bask in their righ...I am a deplorable. And proud. I bask in their righteous judgment. It's all they have. Bring it on. <br /><br />Looking forward to spending Thanksgiving with my self-righteous stepmother-in-law. I will be on my best behavior. After all, I have nothing to apologize for. Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-11379455881869163942016-11-23T08:18:30.572-08:002016-11-23T08:18:30.572-08:00People who are secure in themselves do NOT have to...People who are secure in themselves do NOT have to call others who disagrees with them, deplorables, bigots, sexist, et al or peddle concepts like Right Wing conspiracies. I can understand why some to the right of the Left might use the same tactics just to protect themselves, but most do not.<br />Funny using Kristof as an example when he is one of the biggest name callers with his other NYT brethren. The contempt shown by the Left better demonstrates insecurity. If insecurity was not so prevalent on the Left one would see them engage in a real dialogue vice trying to avoid the "marketplace of ideas." We have "snowflakes,"not my terminology, because we are producing people incapable of dealing with reality. If one side needs "sale places" then they are the insecure ones.<br />Ares,<br />I know you don't recognize it, but your intolerance, distain and lack of respect for those who may disagree just oozes from your comments. A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962996070458991675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-12295913980830020522016-11-23T06:52:02.134-08:002016-11-23T06:52:02.134-08:00"I've wondered where the Republican party..."I've wondered where the Republican party gained its inferiority complex"<br /><br />Troll.Olympus Aresnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-63490189731452797202016-11-23T03:37:40.596-08:002016-11-23T03:37:40.596-08:00Stuart: Anyone who thinks that the New York Times ...Stuart: Anyone who thinks that the New York Times and the New Yorker are providing them with useful information woke up on the morning of November 9 to discover that all of their assumptions, all of the facts about the Obama presidency and the recent election campaign were lies. They discovered that they had been living in a bubble, in a fairy tale, in a fictional world that was crashing down around them.<br /><br />I've wondered where the Republican party gained its inferiority complex, and perhaps it can be traced back to FDR, holding presidential power from 1932 to 1952, with landslide after landslide in the electoral college of nearly solid blue so 20 years of living underground clearly caused emotional distress.<br /><br />But the Democratic party lost in a republican landslide in 1952 where only the south held onto the south, and then 1964 landslide of Johnson over Goldwater completely reversed the map with only southern states going republican, all because of Johnson's support of Civil Rights.<br /><br />But in those golden days, political parties were not ideological pure, while slowly liberals were ousted from the republicans and became the party of conservatives only.<br /><br />And now with ideological purity solidified on both sides, there's no middle ground left, and because main stream media journals are largely personally liberals, they can't be trusted with the facts, so alternative media and right wing talk radio arose to try to balance things out.<br /><br />If there's any voice capable of finding an answer, I'd go for Jonathan Haidt, where he tried to point out Conservatives have a wider breadth of values, over the justice-obsessed left. So he actually supports conservative quotas to try to open the various echo chambers of each profession.<br /><br />Nicholas Kristof talked about "liberal" intolerance and arrogance last spring:<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html<br /><br />Perhaps it takes the election of someone like Trump to open some of the windows to those echo chambers and see what has been neglected. It's a harsh way to get a point - to threaten the entire world, but here we are.<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-30716790991684062952016-11-23T02:04:09.705-08:002016-11-23T02:04:09.705-08:00Evaluating "fake news" certainly looks l...Evaluating "fake news" certainly looks like a problem, now that that cat has been let out of the bag, and social media potentially makes Trump's 400lb man sitting on his bed an equal fact-checker to a 100 year old newspaper with hundreds of staff members.<br /><br />And then the website snopes points out that its not just "fake news" clickbait, but "bad news", pure spin propaganda from whatever side, and that's always existed, but now social media allows it to spread quickly as mass-outrage encourages every home team to make sure everyone knows how bad the other side is.<br />http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/17/we-have-a-bad-news-problem-not-a-fake-news-problem/<br /><br />I saw this article recently, although from 2013, showing the decline of newspaper revenue, from $65 billion in 2000 to $20 billion by 2013. So however much advertiser dollars were influencing the content of journalists, they now have 1/3 of the money to compete with near-free online media where hyped partisan headlines allows each echo chamber to reinforce their own views.<br />http://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-newspaper-advertising-revenue-will-likely-continue-its-decade-long-free-fall-to-below-1950-levels/<br /><br />And even ordinary news sources have their sneaky "Sponsored content" markers which contain clickbait to whatever fake stories, whether political, or health, or trivia. And young people, with all their technical skills on the new media, apparently haven't developed an skills at discerning news from advertisement propaganda.<br />http://www.wsj.com/articles/most-students-dont-know-when-news-is-fake-stanford-study-finds-1479752576<br /><br />Finally David Brooks wrote about the bigger problem, one encouraged by the liberals for "Identity politics"<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/opinion/the-danger-of-a-dominant-identity.html<br />----<br />Bigots turn multidimensional human beings into one-dimensional creatures. Anti-Semites define Jewishness in a certain crude miniaturizing way. Racists define both blackness and whiteness in just that manner. Populists dehumanize complex people into the moronic categories of “the people” and “the elites.”<br /><br />But it’s not only racists who reduce people to a single identity. These days it’s the anti-racists, too. To raise money and mobilize people, advocates play up ethnic categories to an extreme degree.<br />---<br /><br />I've thought of my own standards on Facebook for interaction, and strangely the primary thing that puts me off is name-calling, like the word "libtard" perhaps as the easiest example. And when I see it I know I'm dealing with a troll who is not interested in honest debate, but merely to provoke. And I can ignore that, but if he's (and it's ALWAYS a he), got no more ammo than that, he's easy to unfriend and forget about, and block if I get annoyed enough.<br /><br />Yesterday I threatened to block a liberal facebook user who was giving fake conservative graphics to mock them. He offered to block me first, so clearly blind hatred is on all sides. And our media, censored or not, is fueling a fire that we someday won't be able top stop, when we no longer recognize each other.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-78612168147959328772016-11-22T23:01:51.205-08:002016-11-22T23:01:51.205-08:00The customers of the NY Times got exactly what the...The customers of the NY Times got exactly what they wanted. If they are dissatisfied, they have only themselves to blame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-30804049202749169432016-11-22T15:21:30.124-08:002016-11-22T15:21:30.124-08:00Same topic, different angle.
http://libertyunyiel...Same topic, different angle.<br /><br />http://libertyunyielding.com/2016/11/20/brilliant-fake-news-theme-fake-news/AesopFannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-59669597007376446862016-11-22T12:33:30.674-08:002016-11-22T12:33:30.674-08:00Oh, and lest we forget... the faked, photoshopped ...Oh, and lest we forget... the faked, photoshopped "dead kid" imagery coming out of Pallywood and the leftist French press.Trigger Warningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-77558293349747074892016-11-22T12:26:29.349-08:002016-11-22T12:26:29.349-08:00The history of the media is filled with fake (no s...The history of the media is filled with fake (no scare quotes) news. From the lionization of murderous thugs like Billy the Kid by cowardly, bespectacled scribblers, to the yellow journalism of Pulitzer (in the bag for the Democratic Party) and Hearst, to outright lying about Stalin by the NYT and Duranty, to the reporting on the Tet Offensive, to "exploding" pickup trucks on TV "news", to faked memos and Dan Rather, to edited 911 tape designed to demonize and destroy George Zimmerman, the media have a reputation for outright lying. And that miserable record fails to account for the long list of plagarists, fabulists, and even criminals like David Gregory. <br /><br />Why anyone pays attention to their ridiculous, flimsy agitprop is beyond my understanding.Trigger Warningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-47481743235861104752016-11-22T12:19:48.733-08:002016-11-22T12:19:48.733-08:00It is not JUST 8 years; much longer. Does the nam...It is not JUST 8 years; much longer. Does the name Walter Duranty ring a bell? (Hope, joy, sweetness, and light in Soviet Russia. No NKVD, no gulags, everybody's with the PROGRAM.)<br /><br />Ares may wish to chime in on this, with his magic gonger.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-59115436338291168712016-11-22T05:41:11.621-08:002016-11-22T05:41:11.621-08:00Brings me back to SNL's "The Bubble."...Brings me back to SNL's "The Bubble."<br /><br />Funny how Obama is waking up to "fake news" when it suits him. <br /><br />Meanwhile, in other news, our dear friends in California are channeling some confederate energy. They want to secede!<br /><br />Of course, in California's public schools, secession is a new word. <br /><br />Marcus Ruiz Evans delivered his petition for the 2018 state ballot intitiative. His quote on the issue was pure gold: <br /><br />“We’re doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention,” Evans said.<br /><br />Wow. For all the attention. Sounds deep, dude. <br /><br />Let them go. Democrats are close to a supermajority in the legislature. It can be a new liberal control group in the Americas. A toy for them to play with and destroy. Perhaps Justice Ginsburg will be able to retire there and fulfill her pledge. <br /><br />And that's not "fake news."Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.com