I would like to tell you that Jillian Dunham told us the
real reason why women freeze their eggs in her article thus entitled, but unless
she wants us to believe that women do it in order to become totally independent
of men, I am still not sure what the real reason is.
Either way, Dunham’s article offers a picture of the women
who are choosing egg freezing.
The women who wish to undergo the procedure are, Dunham
says, attractive, professional, successful and self-possessed. They do not, in
other words need men for anything more than a small donation:
A week
later, instead of walking into a room full of couples, I arrived at the
information session and saw only myself. Myself, nine ways. There were no men.
We all appeared to be in our 30s or early 40s. Most of us were white, but not
all. I noticed that every woman in the room was attractive, dressed for work in
the way that successful, self-possessed New York women dress for work:
appropriately, but with some signal to the world about who we were — a worn
leather jacket, an unusual ring. I caught myself wanting to be friends with all
of them. But we barely spoke to each other, aware of the delicacy of our
decision to be there, the probable reasons why, and the privacy we were
entitled to.
How did Dunham find herself at this impasse? When,
at age 32 she received a marriage proposal from her long term boyfriend, she turned
him down. Undoubtedly she loved him, but she wanted more out of life:
Matt
asked me to marry him not long after my mother’s death. I had pressured him to
propose while she was still alive, but with her gone, the ring stayed in my
jewelry box. Everything I thought I knew about my life had changed. Sometimes I
think about an alternate universe in which I marry the guy I met at 25 and have
children in my early 30s. But what I realized in the wake of my mother’s death
was that my sense of what the right relationship for me was — or wasn’t —
lacked the normal range of experience. My sense of who I was lacked the normal range of experience. We broke up,
when I was 32, because of what I didn’t know as much as what I did.
Excuse me for sounding churlish about a deeply moving
emotional experience, but did you notice that the two penultimate sentences in
the paragraph are syntactically and semantically askew.
The first: “my sense of what the right relationship for me
was-or wasn’t—lacked the normal range of experience.”
The second, repeating the preceding sentence, almost as an
echo: “My sense of who I was lacked the normal range of experience.”
And, why repeat exactly the same phrasing twice? It does not
get any better in the repetition.
Dunham might have said that she lacked the normal range of
experience, and that would lead us to ask what that could possibly mean. Does
she mean that she had not had enough men in her life, that she was short a few
hookups?
What experiences was she missing?
She doesn’t tell us. She does say that her sense of who she
was lacked experience. Unfortunately, your “sense” of who you are cannot lack
experience. Not in the English language, it can’t.
The sentences are poorly written. This tells me that she had
no good reason or no reason that she wants to tell us. Or else, that she is
unwilling to admit to herself that she made a grievous error based on culturally
approved psychobabble.
Later in her article she offers a therapeutically correct
explanation. She rejected Todd because she wanted more for herself. She set out
in search of her desire:
….the
decision I made at 32 — to take a risk, to know that I was okay, to believe in
my right to desire more for myself, to desire anything at all.
She does not say that she wanted to find a better
man or a more suitable husband. She wants to have experiences. She is in it for
herself. In the end she will discover that self-actualization does not bring
her the love that she wants. It does not bring her a marriage proposal, either.
In her quest for experience Dunham found herself making
mistake after mistake. One assumes that she suffered repeated relationship
traumas. Why she or anyone else thinks this is valuable is beyond me.
Here is what she found:
I
flirted heavily with someone I had dated in my early 20s, only to remember how
futile that time had been. I went out with the guy I always had a crush on and
had the assumptions of my fantasy scrubbed away. I did everything the hard way:
moving in too soon, dating a co-worker, getting involved with a cheater. The
mistakes I made were obvious and absurd. The bullshit that some of the guys
pulled was ridiculous. But like a child who climbs recklessly in an attempt to
understand risk, I couldn’t stop myself. And while it was true that with each
new person and relationship, and with each new parting, I learned something, it
felt a little like learning a dying language. Was there a point?
Of course, there wasn’t a point. The notion that a woman
should experience a variety of sexual experience and a passel of failed
relationships before getting married has damaged a significant number of women.
It’s a bad idea, worthy of a misogynist.
Different women have different reasons for freezing their
eggs. After summarizing them Dunham arrives at the unpleasant conclusion that
these women, attractive, successful, professional and self-contained… had not
found suitable mates:
Then
there were the stories of women who were perhaps not desperate enough for a
baby — not yet!— women who postponed pregnancy out of a desire for what was
called “social freezing,” as if the reason to spend a week injecting thousands
of dollars of hormones into your belly was so that you could have a few more
Thursday night martinis. Less offensive on the surface were the professional
freezers, personified by the “willowy 35-year-old media-company executive” who
stood out because she had risen “so high professionally at her age.” While some
women certainly
encounter job discrimination when they get pregnant, none of my single
friends were delaying childbearing because of work. My bosses were universally
supportive of employees who became pregnant. I suspected that, for many,
careers were a socially acceptable excuse; if you froze your eggs because you
simply hadn’t found a partner to have kids with, well, that was embarrassing.
They didn’t need a man for anything more than a sperm
donation, and men, perhaps not strangely, did not react well to being thus
demeaned and diminished.
Such men were, regrettably or not, more than willing to
exploit the desperation of the late-thirtysomething independent professional
women:
The
dude was cagey. He acted erratically, pursuing and then retreating. He was
evasive when confronted with our wants and needs, or agitated, or defensive.
Sometimes he simply disappeared. Of course, not all of the men we met and dated
were commitment-phobes. But the numbers were significant enough to present a
serious problem for those of us who wanted a partnership and children.
But why shuld these men, such as they are, be attracted to
women who refuse to take any responsibility for their predicaments?
Dunham writes:
None of
us were responsible for the fact that so many men see relationships as a giant
albatross.
Even my
single male friends, who I knew respected me and other women they were close
to, seem to have absorbed cultural tropes about needy, pathetic women and the
ever-alluring, ever-evasive single male.
Of course, the man who wanted to marry her several years
previously did not see a relationship as an albatross. Dunham should have
mentioned that men see relationships with certain types of women as a burden.
Naturally, women who refuse to take responsibility find
physicians who are happy to tell them what they want to hear. That is, that it’s all the
fault of men.
He [Dr.
Keefe] leaned forward and paused. “There’s something wrong with the men in your
generation,” he said. I was stunned. Here was a doctor who had just been
talking about the importance of considering statistical significance, and now
he was chalking my dating problems up to the broadest of generalizations. But
he was articulating two forms of truth: the mathematical and the personal.
“It
isn’t you,” he said. “All day long, I see patients like you. You’re smart,
beautiful, accomplished, nice. It makes no sense. I go home to my wife and I
say, ‘There’s something wrong with the men in this generation. They won’t grow
up.’”
Women make independent decisions about their own lives and
their own reproductive potential and when men are unwilling to play their
appointed roles, these women blame men.
The doctor notwithstanding, it makes perfect sense.
Naturally, Dunham attributes it to misogyny, that is, to men’s
refusal to play within the drama that these women have been living. One
suspects that such thinking does not make her more attractive to the eligible
men out there.
Freezing
my eggs did not change my dating life. What it did do was expose me, again and
directly, to the ways we treat women when there is a decision to be made about
their bodies: We judge, pressure, and publicly debate a woman’s ability to
direct her own life. We fret about women’s susceptibility to “false hope,”
about their being manipulated by the egg freeze industrial complex, rather than
believing women to be capable of assessing information and understanding risk.
We judge women who pay thousands of dollars to freeze their eggs, rather than
spending that energy advocating for those who can’t. We criticize women for not
being able to control variables that are necessarily out of their control,
something that is insulting to everyone involved.
A friend’s husband comes up with a perfect solution, the one
that was perhaps underlying Dunham’s quest. It sounds like a vote of confidence in her independence. It might also be read as a negative judgment about her prospects:
The
other day, Brian and I were talking in my kitchen. His little girl, not yet a
year old, lay across his arms. “I think you should just do it,” he said. “Have
a kid.”
“You
do?” I asked. I wasn’t that resolute, and assumed he had his doubts, too.
“You
can do it. You want to do it, and you can't rely on men,” he said. He was
smiling mischievously, liberated too, at the prospect of a desire at least
partially met. “Forget them,” he said. “You should wait for no one.”
Next stop, parthenogenesis.
[Addendum: For some comic, or perhaps not so comic relief on this topic, try the blog, called Crazy Jewish Mom, reported by The Daily Mail.]
Parthenogenesis or hermaphrodite?
ReplyDeleteI remember Asimov's Robots and Empire stories had an elite 50 "spacer worlds" that lead humanity into space, and 10,000 years later it was found only one of the 50 remained, where humans were gemetically modified into hermaphrodites, and each had 10,000 robots at their service for each estate.
I thought it was a sly idea, that humans might thrive in the chaos of mass humanity, and might also thrive in the order of isolated technology, at least thrive in the sense of genetic transference.
It is easy for people of both genders to say "things are not working for us", but maybe there's also some "survial of the fittest going on", and for many families things are going great, and its just easier to see all the tragic stories of people whose plans didn't work out.
It seems like companionship is definitely within reach of everyone with any sense of kindness, while raising kids is a different level of challenge.
If I knew how, I'd be 100% for authoritarian controls, like outlawing pregnancy outside of marriage, and I'd outlaw remarriage for anyone who has kids under age 18.
Once you have kids, your options are SHUT. Of course accidents will happen, and outlaws will win, but if a child loses a parent, we should require society to find new parent(s) to adopt the child.
Good thing I'm not in charge, but another alternative might be to follow B.F. Skinner, and take kids away from amateur parents into the hands of experts, and teach them by cold repetition of scientific sticks and carrots.
It is funny to think back to Skinners ideas in Walden II. Its at least as bad as Feminist's dreams for freedom.
@Ares
ReplyDeleteThere was a spacer world left?
I forgot about that.
My favorite of all his books is Nightfall.
That being said, my current favorite science fiction story is "The Machine Stops".
The future casts a shadow on the present, you know.
JP,
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaria#Self-dependency_for_Solarians
During the period from 5,000 AD to 20,000 AD, the Solarians had extensively modified themselves through genetic engineering to become hermaphrodites, thereby removing the need for sexual contact.
I don't remember that about Ike's books, but it's been a loooooooooong
ReplyDeletetime since I read them.
"The Real Reason Women Freeze Their Eggs,": Sure it is. Whistling in the dark past the cemetery, I calls it. She stars in her own real-life drama, and she turned down the one man willing to take her on as his drama queen.
@Ares - Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, back to the subject at hand.
Look, this woman made the wrong choices.
When you make the wrong choices, you get outcomes that are worse than you would have gotten if you had made the right choices.
This article is a warning to others.
OH, Here's your favorite JP:
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaria#Self-dependency_for_Solarians
Many of the characteristics of Solaria bear a strong resemblance to those described in E.M.Forster's 1909 short story, The Machine Stops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops
And yes, back to the subject at hand, I'm tempted to say this woman knows she actually doesn't want to be a mother, and keeping the eggs just allows her to believe otherwise a little longer.
Meanwhile she can be a helpful aunt if she's lucky.
The real fearful thing is to see those who do have kids late have one kid and spoil him rotten.
I think Skinner's Walden Two is wacky, but I rather like any ideas that can expand beyond a nuclear family, like it seems better for two families of 4 adults (and add aging parents as needed?) to live together with 2 to 4 kids of whatever parental relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden_Two
OTOH, with social media these days, it does look like parents ability to network across wide neighborhoods and share duties, like babysitting exchanges allow much more flexability to people inclined for social cooperation.
"Self-possessed" seems like a fitting descriptor for Dunham, while not in the same realm as poise. Seems like she's totally possessed with herself and obsessed with everything she doesn't have (all these "experiences" she claims she wants to have). All I hear are desires, and that she feels validated by people who are just like her: lonely. It sounds like a very troubled life. Children aren't gifts from God, they're objects that one produces at the "right time" -- as if there is s right time to have a child. A child having two parents --a mother and a father -- involved in their life is also now optional. Does the adult or the child find that more convenient? Funny how the doctor-sociologist comments on the problem of young ment never growing up, seemingly amusing themselves to death. Dunham seems occupied with her own amusements and desires ("experiences"), and that life must wait until it confirms to her schedule. I feel compassion for her, because she seems so miserable and preoccupied with being the author of her life. I also hear her as a spoiled brat, and feel some pleasure that she has not had a child, as her lifestyle seems to only have room for one person. Sad.
ReplyDeleteThis is a little on the raw side, but I think these two women get it far better that most.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gfxjAaZg0
I forgot to add this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594037620/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1594037620&linkCode=as2&tag=insta0c-20&linkId=ASM6GXESLHY3C4HL
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, but I just get a great laugh out of people are their own worst enemies. Does it not occur to them that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction that may i fact be more important with larger ramifications. As the old sage once stated, "Watch out for what you wish for for you might actually get it."
I am old enough to remember when feminists stated that we are your mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, et al and then completely forgot that me were their fathers, brothers, sons, et al.
I cannot help myself because I see the humor in most of this and even the irony on display by feminists. One electrical outage or catastrophy and one no longer has a chance at future progeny.
Dr. Keefe is in the business of freezing the eggs; schmoozing with the customers is a sideline he's good at.
ReplyDeleteProps to Dennis for great comments.
When did self-loathing become so mainstream, yet shamelessness makes it a pathos that is to be paraded around for all this attention? People have so much, yet they're miserable. They want more, more, more... When does it end? Does Dunham vote Democrat and worship at the feet of the all-powerful government sugar-daddy? Everything is free, so nothing has value. Not even people. We seem to marvel at our own magnificence, but loneliness has never been more prevalent. We pretend to have friends, while all we have are images on a glowing box.
ReplyDelete"I paid good money to have those eggs frozen! Since you've been with me for five years and refused to fertilize them, I'm suing you for the cost."
ReplyDeleteIn the future, men will be paying child support for children they didn't have.
-- Days of Broken Arrows.
Anon
ReplyDeleteMen ought to realize that once they fertilize those eggs they can be held liable for child support. Nothing a man does with a woman is free. There are always costs. Courts tend to nullify contracts when children are involved no matter how they were conceived.
Sam L. and IAC,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the kind words and consideration.
These Liberals/Progressives really make me laugh.
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand, they claim to be egalitarians who value the equal worth of all people. They say they are opposed to hierarchy and exclusion.
But when it comes to finding a mate, they can never settle down since no one is that perfect man.
Paradoxically, they choose to have more 'experience' not because they like everyone but because they realize they can't stand anyone and therefore must move to the next guy in the hope that he will be perfect.