Of course, we do not know what will come of it, but the
announcement that President Trump will sit down with North Korean dictator Kim
Jong-un has generally been greeted with optimistic skepticism.
Some, on the left and right, have declared it an important
diplomatic breakthrough. Many of those who worked with prior administrations on
the North Korea problem are pessimistic. One would be happier if they would
declare themselves interested parties—since they failed so miserably, they
cannot tolerate or even entertain the thought that Trump might succeed.
Karen De Young in the Washington Post:
For the
moment, at least, it appears to be a clear-cut victory — the biggest foreign
policy win of his young administration. President Trump has brought his
arch-nemesis, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, a.k.a. “Little Rocket Man,” to
the table to negotiate away his nuclear arsenal.
Optimists
declared a major breakthrough. Even pessimists acknowledged that Trump’s hard
line against Pyongyang, after decades of less forceful U.S. effort, played a
significant role in moving one of the world’s most vexing and threatening
problems in a potentially positive direction.
From Newsbusters, Erin Burnett on CNN:
Just an extraordinary evening and, of course,
opening the door to the big question: If President Trump can truly solve this
problem, that would be going down as a great President and there’s no way
around that. That is the reality here.
Elise Labott on CNN:
I think
you have to trust but verify and the U.S. is not going to just give away
everything. President Trump does have good advisers around him. I think it is a
different moment. I think it's significant. I think President Trump, as we have
said, does deserve credit for this maximum pressure campaign working, but I
think you need to be skeptical about what the North Koreans are going to
do.
And then Mark Landler emphasizes the boldness of the gesture in the New
York Times:
For Mr.
Trump, a meeting with Mr. Kim, a leader he has threatened with “fire and fury”
and has derided as
“Little Rocket Man,” is a breathtaking gamble. No sitting American
president has ever met a North Korean leader, and Mr. Trump himself has
repeatedly vowed that he would not commit the error of his predecessors by
being drawn into a protracted negotiation in which North Korea extracted
concessions from the United States but held on to key elements of its nuclear
program.
Meeting
Mr. Kim now, rather than at the end of a negotiation when the United States
would presumably have extracted concessions from North Korea, is an enormous
gesture by the president. But Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim share a penchant for bold,
dramatic moves, and their personal participation in a negotiation could take it
in unexpected directions.
More hostile is David Ignatius in the Washington Post:
Certainly,
Thursday night’s announcement of Trump-Kim direct talks is promising, and
perhaps evidence that the president’s braggadocio and belligerence have
produced results. But what I see is a North Korea that has become a
nuclear-weapons state and now, from a position of strength, wants negotiations
with America.
Trump
thinks Kim is “sincere” in his offer to discuss
denuclearization, but few colleagues share that hope. We’ll probably be chasing
Kim around a negotiating table for a while, which is better than “duck and cover.”
But as Carlin says, “Beep beep.”
And Peter Baker, also in the Times:
Shocking
and yet somehow not surprising, Mr. Trump’s decision to do what no other
sitting president has done and meet in person with a North Korean leader
reflects an audacious and supremely self-confident approach to international
affairs. Whether it is Middle East peace or trade agreements, Mr. Trump has
repeatedly claimed that he can achieve what has eluded every other occupant of
his office through the force of his own personality.
Baker, like Ignatius, says that Trump has nothing to show
for his approach to diplomacy. One might mention the evolving situation in
Saudi Arabia as a change of approach that is of great consequence. The
formation of a Sunni Arab alliance against Islamist terrorism is not nothing. True
enough, as Baker notes, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has not ended, but, as
Baker does not seem to understand, the Palestinians have lost the war, have
lost the support of their Sunni allies and are trying to figure a face saving
way out of their disastrous policy. Better a victory than a negotiation with
terrorists.
And, while Trump made clear his gratitude toward Chinese
President Xi Jinping for having supported the sanctions regime against North
Korea far more than China ever has, not one of these sage commentators has
noted that China is holding most of the cards here. In many ways Kim is Xi’s
puppet. The people of North Korea are starving under the sanctions regime and
the nation is bankrupt. Clearly these facts, largely ignored in many of the
news stories made it reasonable for the American president to offer a face
saving exit for the North Korean tyrant. For now, we do not know what is
happening in the talks between North Korea and China, so we can only speculate.
We must emphasize that Trump seems to have improved relations with China, significantly. The Chinese leaders seem to respect him and his foreign policy team much more than they did the chronic whiners from the Obama administration. If they did not they would not have allowed the sanctions against North Korea to be enforced. We recall the important Wall Street Journal about the sanctions, even if no one else seems to.
As for the naysayers, the Trump critics who have staked
their professional reputations on their approach to North Korea and who risk
being humiliated, Baker begins with none other than Wendy Sherman.
He writes:
“In
some ways there’s a symmetry,” said Wendy R. Sherman, a longtime former
diplomat who was part of a historic
American delegation to Pyongyang under President Bill Clinton and
later negotiated the Irannuclear agreement
for President Barack
Obama. “You have two leaders who believe fundamentally that they are the
only people who matter.”
Other
presidents left talks with North Korea to lower-level officials because they
did not want to reward Pyongyang with the prestige of such a meeting unless
there was a substantial assurance of a breakthrough. They feared an
ill-conceived gathering that resulted in failure would be counterproductive….
Diplomacy
is a positive, Ms. Sherman said. “But this is a diplomacy that has to be
prepared. It’s why Bill Clinton didn’t drop everything and go to Pyongyang.”
She added: “This is very serious business. It is not a reality show. And it’s
our national security that is at stake.”
This is breathtaking. A woman who bears considerable
personal responsibility, along with Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, for having
opened a path by which North Korea could acquire nuclear weapons should not be
pontificating about diplomacy. Sherman’s diplomacy involved submission to
tyrants. In North Korea and also in Iran. She is not the most responsible
party, but she does bear responsibility for the mess. If she had a sense of
shame she would shut up.
Given the abysmal Obama record negotiating with Iran… which
no one seems to care about in the New York Times... more officials of that administration
are using the occasion to help the world forget about its own dereliction.
Baker reports:
“Trump
sees himself as a master negotiator, and yet is not particularly good at it,”
said Colin Kahl, a former national security official under Mr. Obama. “He isn’t
thoughtful or steeped in the types of details required for this type of
diplomacy. He is prone to manipulation and flattery. He often makes threats he
doesn’t follow through on and promises he can’t or won’t keep. And he often
throws allies under the bus. This does not add up to a recipe for success, and
the stakes could not be higher.”
And John Kirby, Navy admiral become John Kerry’s flack at
the State Department seems to fear that Trump might accomplish something:
Kim “has more credibility at negotiating table
now because he has more capable militarily and he’s not going to give that up
anytime soon and so he knows he’s going into this with a bit of an upper hand.”
Kim’s people are starving. His
country is bankrupt. He has lost the backing of China. Why does that give him
the upper hand?
Another Obama-era official Sam
Vinograd said this:
Obama-era
National Security Council member Sam Vinograd suffered the biggest meltdown,
whining that they “would spend
months preparing for the most basic meetings that President Obama used to
have.” Therefore, she claimed “[t]here is no way that President Trump can be ready by May to have
a high-stakes negotiation on denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula.”
“It’s just impossible....You can't wing it. Kim
Jong-un is going to be fully prepared. I
think that he's playing to the President's ego and the President’s weaknesses
by flattering him...If President Trump
does meet with Kim Jong-un, he's going to be going in unprepared and he’s going
to be giving to Kim what Kim wants, which is positive photo op,” she
added.
All of a sudden, the pathetic fool running North Korea is the world's greatest negotiator. All that’s missing now is Ben Rhodes. Considering that this
crack negotiating team succeeded in funding Iranian terrorism and giving Iran a
glide path to nuclear weapons, they should show some modicum of dignity and
shut the fuck up.
12 comments:
Certainly lots of opinions. But at best I predict the negotiation would be Kim saying "I'll keep my nuclear weapons and keep developing them until I can threaten any one on earth who threatens me, BUT I'll only use them if my country is invaded, so you can feel safe, as long as you don't do that." And Trump could say "Yes, I understand, you're right, we have the power to wipe you off the map, so its totally fair that you should at least be able to kill a few million of our people as well. Just remember South Korea is our ally so if you stay off their lawn then everything should be good."
in some limited ways, Kim is a very skilled negotiator. it's easy to draw a simplistic picture of him as all-powerful, but this is wrong. like all dictators, Kim stays in power because he has the support of a few critical groups: the Chinese foreign ministry, the army and the security apparatus, helped by family connections. Note that while the korean groups are important, the individuals are interchangeable. So if you're Nork general Ping, loyalty to Kim buys the army a big budget, a comfortable lifestyle, and your continued life, because col. Pong is ready to take your place.
I think China wants regional stability and a Nork buffer from S. Korea and the US. Kim knows that Chinese patience is limited and the threat to him personally is real. If Nork collapses into chaos, Kim's head is on the block.
While stating the obvious is politically impossible, the US realistically assesses Kim's nuke threat as just hot air. Kim is a man with a six shooter facing many machine guns and in the politics of the Cold War Kim's not holding any kind of a hand. Kim's use of a single nuke will result in the loss of the most important thing to him: his life. If anything he is a survivor.
AO, do you have any idea what you’re talking about?
The Kims produce large quantities of counterfeit U.S. currency, conduct cyber-attacks and sell nuclear capabilities. That’s for starters.
They use these exports to get CASH so they can operate their Stalinist extortion regime.
Trump is the only U.S, President in decades to have taken the North Korea threat seriously.
The negotiations will be short and to the point. It’s not just “Stay off South Korea’s lawn,” it’s “Keep running a shithole hermit kingdom if you want, but know our jurisdiction begins outside your borders. Don’t stray far. I don’t want a continuing resolution, I want results.”
Nobody is threatening the Kims. They are paranoid because they are running an organized crime state, and that is a high-stakes game. Our past presidents have trained the Kims to believe that threatening us and our allies will get them what they want: the cash they need to survive another year. Not anymore.
Whether that message is delivered by an aircraft carrier or face-to-face is irrelevant. Trump is right: there is only one language they understand.
Jack pretty well sums it up. I will say if you draw circle with a 600mile radius (which) I believe is Kim's deliverable nuke range now) it encompasses a lot. The majority of China's sea harbors, Beijing, maybe Shanghai, Tokyo, and of course Seoul. This leads me to believe that Kim's real audience during testing was not the US. I think the Trump/Kim will be in Beijing.
Doing this by phone sucks.
Spot on Mr. Schneiderman.
I saw this interview being shared, starting with a quote from his book that said he'd be willing to launch a preemptive strike against North Korea (Russert assumed that meant nuclear, and Trump seemed to deny he meant a nuclear attack), but he did say "The biggest problem this world has is nuclear proliferation."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_joQ1kxxZs&feature=youtu.be&t=500 Donald Trump - Meet the Press October 24, 1999 with Tim Russert, North Korea 8:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_joQ1kxxZs&feature=youtu.be&t=1182 On the most important issue facing our country: 19:42 Answer:"Nuclear proliferation"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/when-donald-trump-flirted-with-a-2000-campaign-he-proposed-bombing-north-korea
Trump certainly comes across as more thoughtful in 1999, less a circus entertainer. Let's hope some of that mental sharpness is still with him.
"more thoughtful ... less a circus entertainer."
Something for you to aspire to.
The Left FEARS the possibility that Trump will actually DO what Clinton and Obama claimed they wanted to do, and that they will be shown up as the poseurs they are.
Sam L. @March 9, 2018 at 10:27 AM:
... and Bush 41 and Clinton and Bush 43.
Our “diplomacy” with, and “containment” of North Korea have always been a joke.
Biggest game of kick-the-can ever. Disgusting, really.
And we pay thousands of clowns at Foggy Bottom and abroad for what?
I find it most curious that Lefties are much more concerned with domestic enemies than international enemies.
Thes disproportionate concern deserves consideration.
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